I loaded some 168 gr VLD Hunting Bergers I shot 4 deer under 200 yards with great success, and on the one at 562 yds I found the bullet what was left of it lodged between the hide and 2 broken ribs after it went through 2 vertabrays length ways, (a kentucky heart) I weighed the remainder of that bullet at about 30 grains, I then went back and read on the Berger website after this bullet begins to penetrate it is designed to shed 40 to 85% of its weight as shrapnel so it did what it is supposed to do. My first 4 deer kills where 3 in the vitals and 1 head shot at 62 yards they do kill instantly and with alot of hydrostatic shock.