I was out in WV and PA hunting rough public land, not on some pay hunt. I am not impressed TOPGUN. It always comes down to "I killed hundreds of deer....". I don't care how many deer you killed and don't even know how many deer I have killed. I don't need to put a notch on my stock every time I shoot a deer. Take a look at the girl with the rifle in one of the previous posts. Sounds to me like she actually knows what her gun will do. I own a few different rifles and know the capabilities of each one every time I hunt with it. The majority of wounded and maimed deer out there certainly is not due to intentional head shots. I shot a doe once that had a front hoof freshly shot off. What part of the deer do you think the guy was aiming at? Probably the head? d80hunter: "If the shoe fits.....".