Ok, in what book does Capstick say he'd use buck shoot at 10 yards on any animal??? Please tell me so I can look it up for myself. I don't remember reading that but maybe he did. I just want to know which book and chapter. Thanks.

Capstick used shotguns on leopards/lions only and that was to "coup de grace" the animal at the end. Or, if a leopard was cornerd and the only way to escape was jumping on/over/around Peter Capstick himself. In other words, the cat had no other avenue of escape, but to charge Capstick.

Now, my intelligence is getting insulted. You said that getting hit with 12 pellets of 0000 buck is like getting hit with 144 .38spl loads??????? Yeah you explained your theory of trauma etc... I say that what's said on paper or in a book is one thing, but in reality that theory is Bull crap! I guess getting hit with a claymore mine loaded with several hundred rounds of buck shot, would mean that it's like getting hit by tens of thousands of rounds of a .38spl then. So why did so many troops (both friend and foe) survive claymores? So much for theories. For that matter, what would happen if a bear got hit 12 times simultaneously by a 38spl? Would that mean that he REALLY was like getting hit 144 times by oh...I don't know....maybe 144 .357magnums????? Ridiculous theories. See what I mean?

Just like when the FBI and many law enforcement agencies said that the 9mm "147gr sub sonic hollow point" was the "end all bullet" for all "end all encounters".

Well, the proof was in the pudding and real life showed/shows that the bullet has a slightly higher kill ratio and performs just above the performance of a FMJ 9mm bullet. (Which is horrible performance). The bullet has something like a 60% one shot stop kill ratio. That's HORRIBLE performance!!!!!! But on paper, and chronographs and computer models etc... it was "suppossed" to be the "ticket"....So much for theories and the bean counters.

So take that ridiculous theory and throw it in the trash. I've witnessed 00buck fail twice my friend. Once on a human and once on a dog. Don't get me wrong, I'll take a shotgun over a handgun in a gunfight any day. I just refuse to take it grizzly bear hunting.

Heck, half the time everything from #4buck to 00buck doesn't penetrate car windshields even at close distances. What's it gonna do on a grizzly bear? Sorry Blain, but I'll take my chances with a 338, 375, 416 etc... for the grizzlies. I want to come home and see my kids. Also...I don't want a pellet riddled bear hide or much damaged meat.

Seriously Blain, what kind of hunter are you that would poke a bunch of holes in the bear's fur using buck shot? You're probably going to have to use follow up shots too, unless you hit the bear in the face area. So much for mounting a nice skull for that matter.

I think the bottom line here is this:

<font color=red>WE MUST ALL AGREE THAT WE WILL ALL DISAGREE ON THIS TOPIC OF BEARS AND BUCK SHOT.</font id=red>





Edited by - Hk45USP on 01/15/2002 02:37:34