And here's one more I 'll show you at a tape measured 40yds from tip of choke to target I was shooting at. Both these are a half of sheet of copy paper. Both of those were hit about as good as any gun and choke will shoot them at that distance using these loads. And I would bet money on that claim. The one on the left is my 870 3" shooting Hevi-13 3" 2oz #7's with a MAD Super Max .675 choke, and the one on the right was my Moss 835 and Hevi-13 3.5" 2.25oz #7's with a Star Dot .676 choke.