im not to cocerned with concealment. There are a lot of vehicles in this yard I could hide it in and the other side has a ton of trees. At night hidden down low 10 ft back on a tree I dont think they would even see it especiallly considering the small size like the m80 is that i viewed the other day. A flash at all im concerned would make it visible though. I was under the impression that the black flash was completley undetectable, is it not? when I get a chance to get back on my labtop tomorrow I will check out the other cameras you guys have suggested.thanks