My father shoots them out of his crossbow and so far they have performed quite well. Three deer and three pass throughs. He shot all of them at 15 yards and was on the ground. Two or the arrows passed through and were lodged in a trees behind the deer. One so deep it had to stay there. One doe didn't have a great blood trail but the shot was a littel forward. Out of the three deer, one doe with a poor shot went about 150 yards, a doe with a good shot went about 60 yards and a basket rack 9 point went about 20 yards. For him, I think they are great broadheads. Personally, I'm a slick trick guy as well. This year I'll be trying on the new Viper trick and see how they perform.

Popeandyoung, how do you like the grizz tricks? I'm thinking about trying them out this year. I shoot a Mathews Helim, 70 pds and 30" draw so I think they will hold up well with my bow.