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Old 01-18-2013 | 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by BOWHUNTERCOP
today's shotguns and ammo are far better then years past. I for one see really no reason to use a 12ga., for deer/black bear size game today's 20ga. will out perform the 12ga. in every aspect
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Originally Posted by BOWHUNTERCOP
Shot placement is key and with the 12ga. there is always flinching even the slightest can put you off by a lot at longer distances and with that the 20ga will reach out further and be more accurate
So now it's not about the load or shotgun itself being superior, you're supposing that the 12ga is essentially "unshootable" and the 20ga is therefore more accurate because you have a flinching problem?

Yeah, I'm not buying that either.

You cannot say that a flinching problem makes one round inferior. Just because you flinch under a 12ga doesn't mean someone else will. That's like saying nobody should shoot a .30-06, and a .30-30 is far superior. Just because the 12ga kicks more than a 20ga doesn't make it "unshootable" without flinching.

Frankly, it's your own fault if you develop a flinch. A good recoil absorbing buttpad, even a shoulder pad if necessary will tame down any 12ga to very shootable standards, well below a recoil threshold that one would say "with the 12ga there is always flinching".

There are guys out there that can shoot a 338WM or a .375H&H without flinching, I used to be one of them. Admittedly, these days I'm not that well practiced with the big bores anymore, but I dang sure wouldn't say that "a .243win will outperform a .375H&H in every aspect".

I'll concede the point that the 12ga recoils more than the 20ga, but that the 20ga outperforms the 12ga in recoil comfort, which is ONE aspect, but there's absolutely NO reason to say the 20ga "out performs the 12ga in every aspect".

Even to say that your flinching problem makes one round superior to another... sheesh...

I don't flinch AT ALL with my .22lr, maybe I should start using that for deer since my .30-06 obviously kicks way too hard for me not to be flinching with it?
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