Yeah, my buddy has one of the newer ones, nice looking bow of top quality but just a bit much for me in that deprtment. I guess I'm biased to my Big Rivers that actually do have ZERO hand shock. When folks say little to no hand shock and I shoot their bow, I just smile and say nice bow! The older BW's you couldn't pay me to shoot, just not my cup of tea! Everybody has there opinions and this is just mine! No biggie!