I agree with you all, ill leave the +p loads for the black hawk. Heck, if i feel the need for a high pressure round ill just grab the 44mag. I have not cooked up a load for the judge, but did shoot a box of leverevolutions through it and they shoot well. Im surprised with this gun. Its pretty accurate with 45 s and is a nasty self defense gun with 3" 000 buck shot and even nastier with the PDX. I know some people have bad mouthed this gun, i don't know why, i love it.