Charlie P - What other questions ? I was wrong in the number of traditional shooters that would take a quartering to shot. The other thread I started addresses the other point you made - what makes a person take a marginal shot ? Certainly equipment does - a rifle hunter would down this deer in a second. Experience is a big factor too, or is it ? Even guys like Zaft, having several P&Y bucks and vast 3D experience, takes iffy shots at deer. So could it be that taking a shot, even a marginal shot, is better than no shot at all ?