If you're 20 feet up in the tree, the deer is on a 15 foot hump. Get 20 feet up and another thing would come into play at that distance. All that bone he's got on top is going to be right in the way. You have to wait for him to turn. Of course the little 4, 6 and 8 pointers I get you don't have those concerns.<img src=icon_smile_sad.gif border=0 align=middle>