chrisvie13 yea I know all deer are different. I have 4,6 and 8pts pics of 1.5 yo. I know all 4.5 yo dont turn out to be 5x3's. This just happened to be the best comparison pics of 2 bucks in the same spot.I have another decent 8pt but it was during the velvet season and tough to judge that one. I would put him at 2.5.