I am in western new york. here is a 1.5 yo in the same spot just facing you. Looking at the other one, the way his belly saggs, dip in the backbone and his chest looks deep and we arent really in the rut at this point. Thats kinda why I was putting him at 4.5.

Valentine, cant remeber what kind it was but it was $50 at walmart. great pics and it even takes a pretty good video that I dont know how to post.