I did see the .451 300 nosler still available. I believe my bore already runs a little larger than most omegas. I would like to try a few .458's, i noticed that the 460 no excuse was a bit small for my bore, enough that i applied teflon tape just to get some resistance. No, I have not lost hope yet w/ this bullet, it's more that i have decided, do i really need it. I think staying w/ a sabot set up is my best bet. The .458 300 remington, bloodlines, .458 300 triple shock x HP, and especially the original 300 spitzer flat base. I think the .458 would be the most accurate versatile bullet in the omega, I think. I need to shoot a few to find out. ,452, .430 definately do. Awile back I called Toby and told him how I applied the scorpion's tips that allen set me from harvester to the .430 300 XTP and boy did that shoot nice. I actually did not speak to Toby directly left this message and awhile later I see he did some work of his own w/ the .430 XTP and the tips on one of his sites. Anyway, nice experiment that was fun. Yes, alot of my stuff I do today in muzzleloading came from you guys. It's alot of fun. Great example, I just dont get blow back nor do I put grease on my plug, have used tefon tape on my plug since sabotloader stressed on the fact thats all one needs. My plugs dont get stuck, nothing but a good operating system. sorry for rambling on so long. I am just thankful.