Dave, glad you were able to get to those bullets....

One bullet was a 45-220 as seen in the picture on the left below.



The second bullet was a 50-270 bullet shown in the picture below.



Questions... in the 451 White and once through the crown, how would you compare the effort of pushing the bullet down to seat as compared to pushing down a sabot and projectile? I as that because on a Knight Bore the bullet is just a bit large and the body of the bullet is engaraved as well as the gas rings.

If you look at this picture carefully you can see the engraving on the body of the bullet.



Because the powder cup is brass instead of copper, lead, or plastic - it will take a decent amount of pressure to get it to obturate to the bore. Anyway that was my thinking. Because of the design though it is not ablsolutely necessary that the cup expand to the bore as the gas rings or bore riding rings are set and hold the gas pressure.

I know what you mean about pushing the unlubricated brass down the bore... but from everything I have been told Brass is self lubricating and is so much softer than the metal of the bore it does not harm the bore. In this case because of the design grease is not need to help hold gas or or lubricate - like shooting a brass or copper bullet out of a centerfire bore.

Do you know who made the barrel on the Whitetail Hunter - or better yet what does the crown look like that will tell me who made it? I think Doc used two different barrels on the 451's.

Basically same questions for the 50 cal White...

a. How much pressure to push down?

b. Which barrel on the 50? I know with the Clerke barrel they are just a bit loose for me but shoot great.

Last question - hunting accuracy can get hunting accuracy or better with them? Would they be worth working up a load?

One last thing I found that the 200 with sabot and the 220 sabotless shot close to the same place also...