this post doesn' t belong here,but just had to put in this remark!i thought i wanted a 300 wby mag[don' t know why since i probably will never shoot anything but a whitetail with it ]having never shot anything all my life bigger than a 30-06 and 31/2" 12ga turkey loads,this 300 has a recoil that will all but make you anticipate the kick.i shutter to think about the recoil of a .458 lott.[one of my family tree members designed the gun i guess,hehe.]