Well I took the smokeless out today to try and see how it would do. I shot this load about a week ago and while it did alright I wanted it to be a little better. I found that my ventliner needed changed and it made all the difference today. 3 shot group at 100 yards with 60 grains of IMR4198, 195 grains Barnes, Harvester Blue sabot, Win209 Primer. I think I found my hunting load. I haven't been able to chrono this load yet but I suspect it to be around the 2600 fps range.