Thanks for the replies. I have been shooting slick tricks this past season and before that rage mechanicals. Like them both, had some trouble with the rage until I started using my daughters rubber bands from her braces. Onebear I lived in the U.P. for 5 years I miss it. It was some of the best hunting and fishing I ever had in my 59 years. Don't miss the winters anymore kind of enjoyed them when I was younger though.