I have a very good idea where they spend the night and you are right not to crowd them. I haven't been able to get out there in the mornings but I do know where they are in the fields about 9:00 AM. In evenings they are a field over from the morning and I will set up between the two fields. I will get my chance I know that it is just when. I kill birds here every year but seem to have better luck later in the season for some reason. I really have a hard time this time of year to turkey hunt or shed hunt. I hope I get it done sooner then later this year.