Thanks for the info... I will try this for sure. Seems like the more I try to get things set up and tuned in, the more complicated it's getting. Pretty soon I know I'll be chasing the pattern around the paper. Take rabbit or pheasant hunting for instance.... I load up with some number 6's & go. I miss very few rabbits and they are running. Just saying... maybe I'm making this harder than it is.... Also, if I buy more shells I'm getting the $10 all lead turkey loads. I started with the copper-plated ones. My buddy who owns the property where I hunt walked right up within 20 feet of a whole flock of birds yesterday before they scattered. He said they didn't even act all that afraid of him. Granted.... he didn't have a gun in his hands!!! lol...