cool.... thanks for the info. I figured I was in the ballpark on the pattern. 30-35yards and I feel very confident range wise. On out to 40rds I should also still be good. However, with the shorter barrel I think I will try to limit my max range to about 35yrds (which should be plenty with my hunting areas. This will get me started for sure. Maybe next year or this fall I will try with my Excal Vortex crossbow, but for my first season I will use the shotgun. I have high hopes of bagging my first bird next month.