I haven' t shot a deer with a gun in a couple years. I hadn' t shot my 06 since last years sight in. So, I went to the local range at my brothers place. He said, " Don' t you want to shoot at a closer range first" . I ask, " WHY" ? He said, " to get on paper first" . I said I didn' t think it' d be necessary. Now this is a 35 year old Remington 760 Carbine in 30-06. First shot was at 11 oclock one inch high. The second shot was at 11:30 1/2 inch high. I put the gun back in the truck and helped some others. The zero hasn' t changed in 10 years. That gun hunting is tough.