I cant believe it! I finally figured out the trick behind them. Last time i shot them in the cabelas hawken with 70gr Pyrodex RS i had a 4" group at 50 yards. Doable in a short distance hunt but not good enough for me.

I used a wad today but LUBED it with my bullet lube. First shot hit a bit lower but the next 2 shots on a fouled bore were overlapping!

This darn game of muzzleloading has the pickiest things ever!

Will post some pics later. The sight deff. has to be moved up a good deal.