thanks guys for all the input, the main reason i was looking at this rifle is because i thought it was onsale, come to find out i can get it cheaper from academy. i'm thinking i might wait and go back to my orginal plan which was to get an xbolt. i went to get it and ended up with a hoyt rampage xt instead. now i'm saving for a rifle and thought i would jump on this if it was a good deal, but think i might just wait and get the xbolt, unless something else jumps out at me from now until the time i get the cash. thanks again guys