Thanks for all of the replies everybody. I figured they would get it done to at least 80 yards. But I was real sure how they would perform as I do not have any experience with blackpowders yet. And to gearheart I am from west texas not back in east texas where the deer are the size of goats are. muleys out hear get just as big as those up there because they live in the worlds biggest oak forest so all they do is eat acorns and walk up and down sand dunes. and he probably will not shoot past 60 yards anyways. and texasheart shots are out of the question with the blackpowder but on a sidenote I have seen a 30-06 lay one down with a texasheart shot. Do not advocate it but I have seen it done. Again thanks to everybody about the positive feedback.