i dont use a climber or a lader. i make my stands. if your not allowed to nail into trees find to trees close together, get some wood and nail it together for a platform. make sure each end has post so you can tie it into the tree. i use paracord. its been in this tree for 2 years and still sturdy. i use a camo 5 gallon bucket with a cushion. Some times i will even climb up a tree and stand in it. i shot my last buck doing that