I did keep in mind the original post, that's why I originally said 7mm08 shooting 120 gr pills. I just mentioned my bigger calibers so that my thinking that bigger is better is how I perceive things, heck I think (not completely convinced yet) that I'm going to try to get a field experience with a 6.5 x 55 this year. I'm not so sure a 257 roberts might not be the way to go, I just can't convince myself of that.