chet the one thats listed on the gunsamerica site is a new wolverine with a starter kit for $199.00.the rifle is basically a bighorn with a 22" barrel black stock blued finish. i posted it since he wanted something reasonably priced.as stated oldenglishoutfitters had both the youth and standard wolverine on sale for $149.00 NIB. they have sold out of the youth models, but still have the full size at that price..also they are not the wolverine with that funky rear butt stock that has wolverine name molded into it Ray