Thx bigredtl..i never said it wasnt any of my fault but i want to feel more secure about how im shooting nd im 17 workin two jobs i dnt hve all the money in the world nor all the time..but i do no my arrows whiped and i spent hours tuning my bow the problem was the whip..i hit a dot at 20 yards but it whiped all the way there... So if its whipping and spinnin in a big circle look at how big of a diff.. A yard can make!....i shot my buck at fifteen yards..AND YES NERVES HAD ALOT TO DO WITH IT! it was my FIRST buck..back to the subkect rage or muzzy?