I understand the whole you know there is a big buck in the area from sign left behind. That isn' t really what I was getting at, but do appericate all the comments. I just had some absolute monster rubs last year in my woods. I saw quite a few nice bucks 16-18 inch spreads but I don' t think these rubs were from any of them. I tried to post a pic of a couple of them but it says file is to large. If you would like to see them and can post them another way I don' t know I will email them to you. Thanks