The biggest buck I ever killed no one knew was there, I have taken a few others over the years, but some of them I knew about by sign, not seeing them. I never have used a game cam to where I can visually verify there is a bruiser there, it has always been scouting. I have seen a monsterous 6 point 2 times in the past 2 seasons and have only had one shot at him the whole time and flat missed due to clipping 2 sapling I couldn' t see in front of him, I will be going try for him again this year, I know where he beds, but I don' t have permission to hunt there, so all I can do is hope I catch him out and about during legal shooting hours. I would rather stick him with my bow than take him with gun, but what ever season it is that I get the chance again is when I will hopefully take him.