Jon, your forum screams CVA as soon as the page pops up. your muzzleloader section has a CVA logo,your avitars list newbies to the site as a "wolf" and theres a CVA rifle at the top of the page. hmmm, wonder why so many CVA owners visit the site?? CVA has come a long way in the muzzleloader market and are making some nice products, but they still don't have near the chunk of the market that T/C has for many reasons. be open minded and not so defensive.