Thanks for the input, where I saw the decent tom I have been seeing him in the same area now at three different occasions. I will be setting up for him most likely on Friday morning if the weather will stop raining..

Any one else have any ideas to this issue of the jake being with the hens and not the tom? I mean the jake looked like he was really beat up with those broken tail feathers. He didn't have any beard so he was not a shooter.. Most likely another big tom is in that area. But why was the Jake with the hens and not a bigger tom?