I have the Horton Vision 175. Very compact. Cost is why I chose it over the Ten point. A friend just bought the Ten Point but I do not think he has shot it yet. I bought the Bone Collector arrows with quick spin vanes and they appear to be faster then the supplied arrows or even the Horton arrows I had from my other crossbows. With the Horton Vision you have to use the supplied ****er as there is no way you can pull it back by hand.