I hunt with a couple guys like this...well...sorta. Every year theey seem to be able to out together a good group from the ground, but when its time to hunt, we ALWAYS either never get their derr or find it the next day with a terrible shot in it. These two are the only ones we have a problem with, every one else practices all year and fine tunes their bows from a treestand. It drives me crazy, they just don' t seem to care. Well, I' m going up tonight so I' m sure tomarrow I' ll be tracking their deer all nite!!