That seems good flounder I will try it. I am also an archer and have tubes of wax for bow strings and wonder if I could shove that in the barrel and shove out and measure. I can do both and see, I expect the lead ball to hold true. Thanks fellas I will try and post what happens.

Cayugad, on the Whites do they have a deep rifeling? My 1 in 28" just does not seem "deep" enough to stabilize a conical or is it related to how much powder one uses. Meaning less powder and more time to stabilize, I know it may be a millisecond before it comes out the barrel but I'm thinking the longer it stays in the barrel the more time it can stabilize.