Originally Posted by
Ridge Runner
1) brownings standard is set at 2" for most of they're rifles, that way they don't hafta fix many.2) are you sure all the guys you talk to on the net can shoot any better than 2"3) I had 2 bars, none had bosses, shot several more, none of those had boss's either, they all shot way better than 2".as far as your research on scopes, its bogus, nobody buys a vx-1 expecting a top of the line scope, it was brought out by loopy about 6-8 years ago to compete with the BSA/Barska priced lines.The guys on sniperhide who down leupolds are switching to USO's and such, great glass to be sure but 3 times the price of a loopy mark 4.so from all your posts we know, nothing actualy suits you but a 30 dollar tasco, but you claim to be an excellant markman........man give it a rest!RR
I'm not sure that all of the guys on the net can shoot better than 2". None of them may be able to. However, in person, I can consistantly shoot better than 1.5" moa with several other rifles. Not one other rifle, but several, and consistantly. I've got two friends that can shoot sub moa groups consistantly one with a Savage 110, and one with their Remington 700. They have both shot my Browning, and neither could get any better results than I was getting. Is it all of us? Maybe, but I highly doubt it when none of us have an issue with others shooting this poorly.
As for the scopes, I agree 100% the VX-I was brought out to compete with lower priced stuff from other manufacturers, and that's exactly the point I've been making. They are comparable to the Barska's, Tasco's, Simmons, etc. The only problem is those all cost $30-60 and the Leupold costs $230. That's my whole point. When compared to other scopes in the $150-200 price range, the Leupold falls short. Now is the VX-III the in the same class? Hell no. Is it a decent scope? Yes it is. However, it's the same way. It's comparable with scopes that a fair bit cheaper. Even in the VX-III line you can get a lot more glass for your money. In the Mark 4 line, maybe you can't get a lot more for your money, but you could upgrade to a Nightforce for not much more and get a ton better scope. So while the Leupold VX-II's and better are decent scopes, you can still in most cases get a lot more glass for the money with other brands.
As for the $30 Tasco, It's not the greatest scope in the world. Instead, I use it as a comparison to demonstrate what the VX-I is on par with. It's similar in the daytime to the Tasco, and worse in low light. Not to mention the Tasco I've used worked perfectly, while the Leupold didn't track right, didn't hold zero after a few months, and just flat out didn't last. Is that saying that none of them work? No, just that the 2 I've had didn't. I'm sure not all of the Tasco's work great either, but glass wise they are very comparable. Other scopes in that price range like the Burris FFII, Vortex Diamondback, etc, have much better glass than both the Leupold and Tasco, and are much better scopes.
That being said, I've also owned a Vari-X IIc and while it worked fine, the glass still was pretty crappy for the price of it. Supposedly the same glass as a VX-I, and it looked very similar. Once again it's on par with my $30 Tasco glass wise, while the $150 Nikon Prostaff blew it out of the water, as well as the Burris FFII that was $200 with a Garmin GPS that blew both the Prostaff and the Leupold out of the water when it comes to clarity.
Seems like everyone here things I've used nothing but a VX-I and a $30 Tasco and that's not the case. I'm not going to tell you the $30 Tasco is the best scope in the world, because it's not, and you can get a lot better scope in the $150-200 price range, but not from Leupold.
20 years ago Leupold might have had great scopes and the best you could get in their price range, but scopes have come along way and there are several other companies with just as good of customer service, better products, and lower prices nowadays than Leupold who seems to sell scopes based on the name on it not the performance.