Guys you need to go to whitetailsinc.com it is Todds new web show and he is showing all the work and why we hunt where we do.. Also go check out our videos at whiteknuckleproductions.com we are bow only use no guides or outfitters all the land is either leased gotten by knocking on doors or publicland.. Mine and Steves bucks this year for the video came off of stateland in Illinois, two of the hardest bucks we have ever killed.. Walt