Yea it's frustrating as hell. I talk to my buddy every time I hunt. I am watching the same button bucks walk by every morning and hearing gun shots right and left. He is telling me he just saw 5 eight points walk. He is on private land no one hunts. I am on public in an area that has some nice bucks. I saw two during bow season but none after. Like they say it's just luck and timing. Haven't seen a deer the last 5 times out but just shot a mountable wild hog last night so keep at it and it will come.