I think you can have as good of luck in a climber 12 ft off the ground when you have a lot of foliage. At the same time, I always feel so much better when I am up high around 25 ft or so. What are you guys thoughts/experiences with this. Is there a height you have noticed that you dont ever seem to get spotted. I always wonder that when I am hunting, how far up a tree will a deer look.