I ended up securing a 2nd place to hunt this weekend. A good friend that works with my wife said her dad owned about 30 acres but he doesn't hunt there as his family has some prime hunting ground in another location. I went out there yesterday to check it out and he had some real hogs mounted on his wall. Anyways it's not a bad area, has a creek that runs around the perimeter of the woods, and the neighboring properties are very thick and only hunted by 1 person on each property. The landowner has bowhunted back there a few times during the week after work and has seen 6 different bucks. I can see why he would hold out though after seeing what he has shot at his other ground. I saw at least 25 scrapes and a lot of good trails. He had a stand already up and told me i could use it and i put up one of my own as well. Been shooting the gun the last 2 days, it's ready to go.