Dr Mike, I' ll put my 50 year' s in the wood' s up against your experience anytime, that being said I asked you if I was wrong, you replied that I was,so for now I' ll take you at your word, but be aware theres a ton of people on another forum that have the same question' s that I had, I did look up your post,s on both forum' s and came away with the same suspicion, maybe it' s the way you ask your question' s, there,s an element of inexperience that come,s through, I hope that if you are making videos that your presentation project' s a more polished hunt, I wish you great success and good hunting, I have to leave now to get ready to go bear hunting in northern california, usahunter[:-]