i shoot my dads 870 wingmaster that he bought in 1983. its a beautiful gun, dark walnut stock i believe? i can see why they sold 10 million. he bought me a 870 express in 2003 for my 16th bday and like wetpwdr53 said the quality just isnt like the older ones. you can tell the wood is cheaper but at least i dont feel bad ripping it through briars rabbit hunting or in the water duck hunting.