Play nice gentlemen. Wikipedia sometimes does have problems with accuracy. Get 10 gun nuts together and you're guaranteed at least 20 opinions. A buddy of mine swears by his .280 while I love my .270 and hope to pass that on to my boys. Calling each other names isn't helpful and violates the forum rules. Remember, when you point that single finger at another member, 3 more of your fingers are pointing back at you. Now, as to the "debate" about who is older, I suggest the 2 "older" members settle it at 20 metric paces with birth certificates.