Well I figured this out. I even tried different spined arrows with no luck. It was that d#@n Ripcord arrow rest. This is the second bow that I put this rest on and had tuning problems. And yes I set it up properly. I took a NAP Apache rest off my other bow and put it on the Firecat and after installation I had it shooting FTs and BH to the same POI AND shooting decent holes thru the paper all in about 20 mins.