OK.... I'm gonna back out of here and stop with the arguments. It is clear that your point is correct that for building hunting ammo used at 200 yds. or less, cases only need to be trimmed when at or approaching max length.. I also feel my points about when and why cases need trimmed apply more to a higher grade of accuracy desired than common hunting ammo. You have strong feelings about your methods and ideaology, just as I do about mine. I'm just gonna leave it there......