case length
07-27-2010 | 05:05 AM
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If one wants to shoot mediocre ammo, wouldn't it serve them best to just buy factory? I thought most on here took pride in making ammo.
One would be much better off spending his time floating the barrel or bedding the action or many other things as his mileage will be far better than trimming to overall tolerances less than .010.
I've heard this neck tension argument many times and it just don't hold water.....maybe if the trim variabce was a quarter inch.....but .010?????
Consistency is a great goal.....but somethings just don't pay back...
Among them are weighing every powder change to .1 grain!!! Uniforming flash holes and uniforming primer pockets.....turning necks for hunting rifles that don't have a tight neck chamber....and trim lengths to "exact" lengths.
Layne Simpson reported it a long time ago....unless your rifle is already shooting 1/2" groups....these things do nothing for you.....and I looked at what he said and thought....yup....this matches my experience exactly.
Further.....the huge majority of hunting rifles that shoot 1/2" groups are shot on the internet.....not at any range!
I've heard this neck tension argument many times and it just don't hold water.....maybe if the trim variabce was a quarter inch.....but .010?????
Consistency is a great goal.....but somethings just don't pay back...
Among them are weighing every powder change to .1 grain!!! Uniforming flash holes and uniforming primer pockets.....turning necks for hunting rifles that don't have a tight neck chamber....and trim lengths to "exact" lengths.
Layne Simpson reported it a long time ago....unless your rifle is already shooting 1/2" groups....these things do nothing for you.....and I looked at what he said and thought....yup....this matches my experience exactly.
Further.....the huge majority of hunting rifles that shoot 1/2" groups are shot on the internet.....not at any range!
07-27-2010 | 12:38 PM
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One would be much better off spending his time floating the barrel or bedding the action or many other things as his mileage will be far better than trimming to overall tolerances less than .010.
I've heard this neck tension argument many times and it just don't hold water.....maybe if the trim variabce was a quarter inch.....but .010?????
Consistency is a great goal.....but somethings just don't pay back...
Among them are weighing every powder change to .1 grain!!! Uniforming flash holes and uniforming primer pockets.....turning necks for hunting rifles that don't have a tight neck chamber....and trim lengths to "exact" lengths.
Layne Simpson reported it a long time ago....unless your rifle is already shooting 1/2" groups....these things do nothing for you.....and I looked at what he said and thought....yup....this matches my experience exactly.
Further.....the huge majority of hunting rifles that shoot 1/2" groups are shot on the internet.....not at any range!
I've heard this neck tension argument many times and it just don't hold water.....maybe if the trim variabce was a quarter inch.....but .010?????
Consistency is a great goal.....but somethings just don't pay back...
Among them are weighing every powder change to .1 grain!!! Uniforming flash holes and uniforming primer pockets.....turning necks for hunting rifles that don't have a tight neck chamber....and trim lengths to "exact" lengths.
Layne Simpson reported it a long time ago....unless your rifle is already shooting 1/2" groups....these things do nothing for you.....and I looked at what he said and thought....yup....this matches my experience exactly.
Further.....the huge majority of hunting rifles that shoot 1/2" groups are shot on the internet.....not at any range!
I"ve read your posts and agree with some of your statements, and disagree with others. If you've followed any of my posts from the past, you should know I'm a bit anal about accuracy. I've built more than a few rifles, and have bedded barrels and actions for more people than I can count. I have more than one sub-1/2" rifle, and just finished up load development for a .243 AI I built last year. It's going real close .3" groups regularly. I'm ready to start a 6.5/284 on a new Model 70 (FN Police Special) action. Haven't picked a barrel yet.
Perhaps you assume all on this forum are lever-action 30-30 shooters???
07-27-2010 | 02:44 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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To assume that cases within .001 in length are going to produce superior groups or in any manner superior to ammo made with cases varying .010 is a statement you can't prove or support in any manner. To say that one that has learned through long experience that certain things don't yield returns on your investment (of time) and therefore one has no pride in his ammo is ludicrous.....you can't connect those dots no matter how hard you try!
In reloading, finding the best bullet for your gun is most of the battle. Discovering which powder propels it best is the next best hurdle and finally all the little things like amount of powder and seating depth play a role.....
If you wish to spend your time fiddling with trivia then so be it....for those learning reloading.....they can read and believe as they see fit.
I really don't care how others reload.....it don't affect my shooting at all. I post my experiences and nothing more!
07-27-2010 | 02:56 PM
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Or here is a novel idea, no fiddling and all as you say. Just freakin trim the cases and do it properly. They should all grow together and you can keep track of them how many times fired.
I know, off the wall suggestion.
I know, off the wall suggestion.
I take immense pride in my ammo.....and it's 100% reloaded ammo.
To assume that cases within .001 in length are going to produce superior groups or in any manner superior to ammo made with cases varying .010 is a statement you can't prove or support in any manner. To say that one that has learned through long experience that certain things don't yield returns on your investment (of time) and therefore one has no pride in his ammo is ludicrous.....you can't connect those dots no matter how hard you try!
In reloading, finding the best bullet for your gun is most of the battle. Discovering which powder propels it best is the next best hurdle and finally all the little things like amount of powder and seating depth play a role.....
If you wish to spend your time fiddling with trivia then so be it....for those learning reloading.....they can read and believe as they see fit.
I really don't care how others reload.....it don't affect my shooting at all. I post my experiences and nothing more!
To assume that cases within .001 in length are going to produce superior groups or in any manner superior to ammo made with cases varying .010 is a statement you can't prove or support in any manner. To say that one that has learned through long experience that certain things don't yield returns on your investment (of time) and therefore one has no pride in his ammo is ludicrous.....you can't connect those dots no matter how hard you try!
In reloading, finding the best bullet for your gun is most of the battle. Discovering which powder propels it best is the next best hurdle and finally all the little things like amount of powder and seating depth play a role.....
If you wish to spend your time fiddling with trivia then so be it....for those learning reloading.....they can read and believe as they see fit.
I really don't care how others reload.....it don't affect my shooting at all. I post my experiences and nothing more!
07-27-2010 | 03:24 PM
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Nontypical Buck
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.............This sometimes comes as a startling revelation for some....
07-27-2010 | 05:02 PM
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Guys, I am preparing a ton of 243 and 308 once fired brass for reloading. I am doing a full length resizing, my question is the case length. The case length on most of this brass is within 10.000 of an inch of each other. Now I know that it is best to have every case the exact length but how important is it really? I have been told that if you have a cannalure they must be all the same length but what if the bullet does not have a cannalure? What if I decide not to crimp or use a roll crimp? I have over 1000 pieces of brass and I dread having to trim all these cases by hand.
Have at it guys I am all ears.
Thx for all the help.
Have at it guys I am all ears.
Thx for all the help.
Sauer06 already has brass varying .010....his question is must he fix them. My reply is not only no....but hell no!...unless they are over the max length!
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07-28-2010 | 10:04 AM
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Nontypical Buck
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From: S.W. Pa.-- Heart in North Central Pa. mountains-
OK.... I'm gonna back out of here and stop with the arguments. It is clear that your point is correct that for building hunting ammo used at 200 yds. or less, cases only need to be trimmed when at or approaching max length.. I also feel my points about when and why cases need trimmed apply more to a higher grade of accuracy desired than common hunting ammo. You have strong feelings about your methods and ideaology, just as I do about mine. I'm just gonna leave it there......
