If anyone reading this wants to hunt western ny, specifically wildlife management units 8w, 8t or 8 x let me know. NOONE will be denied doe pemits in 8w and 8t and usually there is some first come first serve doe permits available after the intial application period(usually available around the 10-15th of october). I' m going to the Charles Alsheimer seminar tonight and for anyone who isn' t familiar with his work..get familiar with it. His rut predictions are dead on!