Yeah i' m looking at the summit line right now but I am afraid that bar infront will get away. The only real reason I was looking at the ol' man was because you could remove this bar. I think im going to get the summit broadhead,bushmaster,or cobra. I like to sit when shooting and rarely stand, and these three provide enough room to sit while shooting. My only concern is where do you hang on while climbing? Do they by anychance make and attachment in the front for sit down climbing that you can take off at the top?