Your right Todd a 20 gauge 1 1/4 oz load can not compete with a 2 oz load 12 gauge. That Nitro 4x5x7 is near impossable to beat and all the loads I have tested with a 20 gauge is straight #6 as far as making a normal off the shelf 20 gauge a turkey gun, that is no problem and I have done it with Remingtons. Mossbergs, and Benelli's but what a turkey hunters needs to keep in mind the patterns out of a 20 gauge is not going to be close to a 12 gauge because of the volume of shot in the shells, impossible. However a shooter can upgrade that 20 with a good choke and load combo and still out pattern the factory setup so if a shooter can put 60-70% of the shot where it needs to be then why would you need more, If died is died ?

The reason I like the 20 is only because it is lighter and shorter on the most part and it can kill them as died as a 12 in my eyes, but over all, the 12 gauge is a better gun for turkeys. I guess in my view also, I like the challenge of this gauge because I've killed my share of birds over the years.

Is there a better turkey gun? Yes I would have to say Benelli's because they all seem to pattern better on a higher level then other brands and I have also noticed this while testing guns...

Think I'm done with this thread ...